Re: Timeframe for Alb rd > rdh?

>Could you help me here with the etymology of other 2 Albanian words
>that I could identified showing an rd > rdh in Albanian :
>
>1. Alb çerdhë 'nest' - Sl. c^erda 'herd' ?(but the semantism
>cannot fit in my opinion). Other etymology? Opinions?

The latter example fits Old Slavic c^re^da > Romanian cireadä
"herd." Other two words seem to be related, both phonetically and
semantically: Romanian ciurdä ['c^urd&], of which Romanian
linguistic sources say it is a Hungarian loanword < Hung. csorda
['c^ordO] (< PIE?) "herd; flock"

Perhaps also related Romanian cârd < Serbian krd (for groups of
various animals; in Romanian chiefly for birds, though).

> 3. Alb. shkërdhec ? 'barrel'? - here we already have s > sh so
>here we can syncronized the loan moment also regarding this
>transformation (but we also have a suffix in c).

I'm afraid this would be of little help for Romanian, since the s > sh
before stops (such as [k], [t], [p]) is *still* productive -- esp. in
western regions of Romania. But only at the subdialectal & colloquial
level.

George