Re: Timeframe for Alb rd > rdh?

Hello All,

I think that Alb. kordhë 'sword' situation was somehow clarified
(based on its Iranian origin it could entered in Albanian before sec
VII) so it cannot be used as an argument that this transformation
finished later: sec IX-X.
Thanks to all for your help.


Could you help me here with the etymology of other 2 Albanian words
that I could identified showing an rd > rdh in Albanian :

1. Alb çerdhë 'nest' - Sl. c^erda 'herd' ?(but the semantism cannot
fit in my opinion). Other etymology? Opinions?

3. Alb. shkërdhec ? 'barrel'? - here we already have s > sh so here
we can syncronized the loan moment also regarding this transformation
( but we also have a suffix in c).


This will help a lot to can fix the timeframe for Albanian rd > rdh


Thanks a lot,
Marius Alexandru



--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> Hello All,
> Alb transformation rd > rdh is present in the Latin Loans and the
> Common Words with Romanian.
>
>
> Latin Loans in Albanian:
> ========================
> Lat. surdus > Rom. surd <-> Alb. shurdhër / shurdhët
> Lat. la:r(i)dum > Rom. lard <-> Alb. lardh
> Lat. viridis > Rom. verde <-> Alb. verdhë
> Lat. chorda > Rom. coardã <-> Alb. kordhë
>
>
> Alb. - Rom. Common Words
> ========================
> Rom. gard - Alb. gardh 'fence'
> Rom. urda - Alb. urdha 'kind of sweet cheese'
> Rom. zgardã - Alb. shkardhë 'collar'
>
>
> In order to can establish a final timeframe I need to address

some

> Albanian words that could be Loans for Slavic :
>
> 1. Alb çerdhë 'nest' - Sl. c^erda 'herd' ?(but the semantism

cannot

> fit in my opinion). Other etymology?
>
> 2. Alb. kordhë 'sword'?
>
> 3. Alb. shkërdhec ? 'barrel'?
>
> Any help related to possible etymologies for these words?
>
>
> Based on these etymologies the timeframe for Alb. rd > rdh is

either

> around 600 BC or around 900 BC
>
>
> Thanks and Best Regards,
> Marius Alexandru
>
>
> P.S. From my list the single affected word is Rom. urda that should
> be passed to X.