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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
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> should we expect it?
You wouldn't expect a Roman king to use Latin?
Alright, I think that I at last understand what you're
trying to say. It was the name of Ares, not that of
Dionysos from which you intended to derive 'Januarius'.
Actually you want to derive Latin 'Januarius' from the
name of the Greek Enyalios, and also connect 'Enyalios'
to 'Ares' by making '-alios' a form of 'Ares' of some
sort.
Is that correct?
If so, then you're making two separate claims for which
two separate cases should be made. I don't think anything
was helped by mixing them, except maybe the slight-of-
hand effect of making it seem that there was an 'r' where
you needed one, but which really isn't there.
The first claim is that 'Januarius' comes from the name
of Enyalios. The second claim is that 'Enyalios' can be
analyzed as 'eny-alios' with the second element somehow
related to the name of Ares.
> "was supposedly" is saying just we have to deal with a
> supposition.
I suppose so.
> I sustained the name of the month could derive from "Ares"
> and not from "Janus". My reasons are here:
>
> - there is in Rom. the old name for Januar which is "Gherar";
> if one will insiste the Gherar is derived from "Januarius" one
> should look for something better to do. If one consider Januar
> & Gerar do not have anything to do with each other, then one
> is wrong in this assumtion. Presumabely the word was an prefix
> + arius.
Wait. First of all, I've come to distrust any of your
conclusions about what are and what are not possible
Romanian results of Latin forms. I would like to hear
what an expert on Romanian sound changes can tell us
about 'Gherar' and 'Januarius'. For all I know, nobody
has even claimed any connection between the two.
> If this "arius" derives from an older "*alius",
Yes, see how many more unknowns your notion require us
to accept?
> that is what one should try to find out. After all, the Greeks
> sustained the "Ares" should be a Thracian good and we do know
> about intervocalic "l" > "r" in some languages. Assuming the
> "*aliyos" is a name,
I think that that's where you go wrong, at least as far
as the name of January goes. You should make the simpler
assumption that '-arius' is a Latin suffix attached to
the Latin 'Janu-'. You don't see Ares behind the name of
Februarius as well, do you?
I couldn't say about a connection between 'Enyalios' and
'Ares', although I doubt it. Does Greek vacillate between
'l' and 'r'?
> would in this case the Mycenian enuw-aliyos would make any sense?
> what should be "enow-" mean here?
Well 'Enyo' exists in its own right, as the name of a
goddess connected to Ares, as Joao has already mentioned.
Find out what's already known about her and the meaning
of her name.
David