Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology

Where Semele is recognized as a moon-goddess?

I chose to wrie "yah" because I've read different books with different transcriptions, and I didnt know what form would be the most likely.

Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:

No.

Semele is overwhelmingly recognized as a goddess of the moon. She is worshipped at the new and full moons.

Also, consider Dionysus' Centaurs if we are going to accept an idnetity of function if not of name for Bacchus and Dionysus.

I do not believe there is any connection whatsoever between zemelo: and Semele. A mere similarity, unconnected, of sound.

The only connection between the earth and moon is female fertility.

However, Bacchus might be a moon-god since the moon is associated with madness not warrior fury.

Iakkhos = Yahuweh is simply out of the question!

Egyptian moon is ja'aH not yoh unless you mean Coptic. Too late to be related to yhwh.

On your final question, you will have to get an answer for an Anatolian specialist.

IE *gh yields Hittite k, g, or q NOT h; and Greek kh.

Patrick

----- Original Message -----

From: Joao S. Lopes

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:56 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology

Perhaps a clue for Bakkhos etymology was the name of
his mother: Semele:, allways analysed as from Thracian
zemelo: "earth" (cf. Russian Zemlya). Is this correct?
So we'd have here a shift *g^H>z>s, or not?
And about Iakkhos, that shows a "shape" similar to
Bakkhos? Iakkhos = Yahu (Hebraic Yahu,Yahwe? Egyptian
yoh,yah "moon" ?)
Or -kkh- < Anatolian -hh- ?

--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> Well, there are the early vase-paintings that I
> mentioned. And the animal that was torn apart by the
> maenads was a foal.
>
> If you would read Robert Graves, _The Greek Myths_,
> an essential source for what you seem to be doing,
> there is a lot more horse symbolism there. Warning:
> his linguistics are unreliable; and mother-goddesses
> did not predominate.
>
> I would propose that, at some early date, there was
> a common origin for these associated traits. You
> might want to visit my website at proto-language and
> look under proto-religion.
>
> Proto-Language<http://geocities.com/proto-language/>
>
> I did not assert that January was, in any way,
> related to Enyalios so why bring this up? Further, I
> do not think they are etymologically related.
>
> Without researching it, I would suppose they are
> related (Are:s) and Areion).
>
> No iddea on your last question. What language is
> that?
>
>
> Patrick
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Joao S. Lopes<mailto:josimo70@...>
>   To:
>
cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
>
>   Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology
>
>
>   I cannot see a strong horse-symbolism in Bakkhos.
> I agree with the equine and maybe wind traits of
> Ares. Even Bakkhos was not Greek he can have IE
> traits, through some Thracian, Phrygian or Illyrian
> adstratum. Latin Janus (cf. Januarius "January",
> Portuguese janeiro; janua "door", januella "window",
> Portuguese janela, janitor "door-keeper") <
> *ya:-nos, and Enyalios came from Mycenean
> *enuwaliyos. Short e doesnt match a:, and the ya:-
> would give Greek ze:- or he:-.
>   Any link between Are:s and Areion, divine horse
> son of Poseidon?
>   How about Are:s < *re:z(^) or re:s(^) "king" ?
>
>
>   alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
>     >
>     > Now Ares is a son of Zeus also, associated
> with growth, war, horses
>     > (mare's milk anyone?), and intoxicants.
>     >
>     > Bacchus may be an Anatolian(?), tamer form of
> Ares, so that
>     > 'quarreler' is an appropriate name.
>     >
>     >
>     > Patrick
>
>
>     Dyonision is a later good, it cannot have IE
> origin, it appeared later
>     in the Thracian mithology and was imported too
> by Phyrigians. Ares was
>     originary the good of the hard winter, of the
> cumplitely wind.
>     Presumabely his name is the one which is at the
> origin of the name of
>     the month "Januarius", and not Jovis (Janus) as
> generaly assumed.
>
>     Alex
>
>
>
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