Re: Rom. ciurda 'herd' /c^urda/

Only to add here an important thing:

We have also Rom. cireadã 'herd' this time really reflecting a loan
from the OCS c^r~eda 'id.'

Best Regards,
Marius







--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Rom. ciurda /c^urda/ 'herd' is considered to be from Magyar
> csorda 'id.'
>
> See http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=ciurda&source=
>
>
> But we have here the known Pokorny's PIE root *k'erdh-o or
> *k'erdha: 'herd' :
>
> Lithuanian kerdzius 'shepherd' -> seems from a PIE *(s)kerda-
>
> Proto-Slavic reconstruction: c^erdà 'herd' - PIE *k'erdh-o?
>
> Go. hairda
> Old High German herta 'herd'
>
> Skt. s'ardha 'herd'
>
> Rom. c^urda (reflecting a PIE *k'werdh- or PIE *k'wurdh- => PIE

*k'we

> give a regular c^ in PAlb (Dacian)) is considered to be from Magh.
> csorda, but for sure the Magh. word is either from Slavic (but

should

> had an old Magh. form csereda, in this case) or from Romanian.
>
> Also Rom. u for Slavic ě -> seems irregular also:
> (Old) Church Slavic: OCS čěrda `order, herd'.
> -> from here DEX preference for Magyar source (also if Slavic loan

in

> Romanian, it should preceed the Slavic Methathesis)
>
> My questions are:
> What is the PIE derivation of OCS čěrda (from PIE

*k'erdh-o?)

> mainly what is the PIE source of Slavic c^? Other examples showing
> *k'we in Slavic for a Slavic c^?
> Secondly how fit here Lithuanian kerdzius 'shepherd' (showing

a

> *k not a *k') with the Slavic c^ ? But the Germanic forms?
>
> Thanks for your feedback,
> Marius Alexandru