Re: Rom. ciurda 'herd' /c^urda/

Rom. cireadã 'herd' :
http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=ciread~a

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
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> Only to add here an important thing:
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> We have also Rom. cireadã 'herd' this time really reflecting a loan
> from the OCS c^r~eda 'id.'
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> Best Regards,
> Marius
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"

<alexandru_mg3@...>

> wrote:
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> > Hello All,
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> > Rom. ciurda /c^urda/ 'herd' is considered to be from Magyar
> > csorda 'id.'
> >
> > See http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=ciurda&source=
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> > But we have here the known Pokorny's PIE root *k'erdh-o or
> > *k'erdha: 'herd' :
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> > Lithuanian kerdzius 'shepherd' -> seems from a PIE *(s)kerda-
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> > Proto-Slavic reconstruction: c^erdà 'herd' - PIE *k'erdh-o?
> >
> > Go. hairda
> > Old High German herta 'herd'
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> > Skt. s'ardha 'herd'
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> > Rom. c^urda (reflecting a PIE *k'werdh- or PIE *k'wurdh- => PIE
> *k'we
> > give a regular c^ in PAlb (Dacian)) is considered to be from

Magh.

> > csorda, but for sure the Magh. word is either from Slavic (but
> should
> > had an old Magh. form csereda, in this case) or from Romanian.
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> > Also Rom. u for Slavic ě -> seems irregular also:
> > (Old) Church Slavic: OCS čěrda `order, herd'.
> > -> from here DEX preference for Magyar source (also if Slavic

loan

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> > Romanian, it should preceed the Slavic Methathesis)
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> > My questions are:
> > What is the PIE derivation of OCS čěrda (from PIE
> *k'erdh-o?)
> > mainly what is the PIE source of Slavic c^? Other examples showing
> > *k'we in Slavic for a Slavic c^?
> > Secondly how fit here Lithuanian kerdzius 'shepherd'

(showing

> a
> > *k not a *k') with the Slavic c^ ? But the Germanic forms?
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> > Thanks for your feedback,
> > Marius Alexandru