Rom. ciurda 'herd' /c^urda/

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 36818
Date: 2005-03-20

Hello All,

Rom. ciurda /c^urda/ 'herd' is considered to be from Magyar
csorda 'id.'

See http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=ciurda&source=


But we have here the known Pokorny's PIE root *k'erdh-o or
*k'erdha: 'herd' :

Lithuanian kerdzius 'shepherd' -> seems from a PIE *(s)kerda-

Proto-Slavic reconstruction: c^erdà 'herd' - PIE *k'erdh-o?

Go. hairda
Old High German herta 'herd'

Skt. s'ardha 'herd'

Rom. c^urda (reflecting a PIE *k'werdh- or PIE *k'wurdh- => PIE *k'we
give a regular c^ in PAlb (Dacian)) is considered to be from Magh.
csorda, but for sure the Magh. word is either from Slavic (but should
had an old Magh. form csereda, in this case) or from Romanian.

Also Rom. u for Slavic ě -> seems irregular also:
(Old) Church Slavic: OCS čěrda `order, herd'.
-> from here DEX preference for Magyar source (also if Slavic loan in
Romanian, it should preceed the Slavic Methathesis)

My questions are:
What is the PIE derivation of OCS čěrda (from PIE *k'erdh-o?)
mainly what is the PIE source of Slavic c^? Other examples showing
*k'we in Slavic for a Slavic c^?
Secondly how fit here Lithuanian kerdzius 'shepherd' (showing a
*k not a *k') with the Slavic c^ ? But the Germanic forms?

Thanks for your feedback,
Marius Alexandru