Re: Re[4]: [tied] Evening/Night (was Re: The "Mother" Problem)

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Patrick Ryan wrote:

>
> <wolves'> is pronounced /wulv-z:/ with the /z/ sustained longer than
> than in <wolves>, or made into a separate syllable; <wolves> is /wulvz/
> - at least in my Midwestern English dialect.
>
> Perhaps in some dialects, <wolves> is pronounced identically to
> <wolves'> but not in mine.
>

So how would you phonemicize <wolves> and <wolves'>? Is there a phoneme
/z:/ (long voiced dental sibilant)? Or is there a word-final geminate
/zz/?

Jens