Re: Re[4]: [tied] Evening/Night (was Re: The "Mother" Problem)

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From: Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:18 AM

Subject: Re: Re[4]: [tied] Evening/Night (was Re: The "Mother" Problem)

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Patrick Ryan wrote:
>
>   <wolves'> is pronounced /wulv-z:/ with the /z/ sustained longer than
> than in <wolves>, or made into a separate syllable; <wolves> is /wulvz/
> - at least in my Midwestern English dialect.
>
>   Perhaps in some dialects, <wolves> is pronounced identically to
> <wolves'> but not in mine.
>

So how would you phonemicize <wolves> and <wolves'>? Is there a phoneme
/z:/ (long voiced dental sibilant)? Or is there a word-final geminate
/zz/?

Jens

PCR:

 

Good question. I really do not know how to identify a word-final geminate unless it is followed by a sonorant of some kind.

 

I may have been hasty in identifying a long /z:/. Upon reflection, it appears to me that the principal difference is syllabification. I think it is also possible that syllabification in this context leads to a long pronunciation.

 

Perhaps some other native English speakers could weigh in with their thoughts?

 

 

Patrick

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