Re: Albanian origins and much more

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > I found an interesting (if somewhat awkwardly
> > translated) interview with the Albanian scholar K.
> > Resuli-Burovich. Cf.
> > http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/art-cafe/Week-of-Mon-
> 20030324/001530.html
> >
> > Any comments from our Albanologists?
>
> "
> >Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - On the territory of today¹s

Albania, as

> > has already been confirmed by the most distinguished world

scholars,

> > from whom I have already mentioned some, first settled the

Slavs.

> In 548
> > A.D., they enter also in Durrachium (Drach, Durr?s). The

Albanians

> > come via Transylvania (Romania) and Bulgaria much later, IX-X
> century."
>
>
> What I found strange is that somebody arrives in an interview

and

> make some assertions without any argument...
>
> On the other side we have some clear linguistic facts:
>
> 1. Older Greeks Loans in Albanian (Like: Doric Greek a: > Alb

o

> similar with PAlb a: > Rom. a <-> Alb o) shows an Older treatement
> than the Albanian treatement of the Latin Loans (Lat. a: > Alb a).
> This is a fact: so is above all doubts. Based on it we can

easy

> assert that (sorry that I repeat this but reading such assertions

as

> above is better to repeat it 100 times if needed):
> Albanians was in contact with Greeks before Latin Arrival in
> Balkan. Where this contact with Greeks before 'Roman arrival in
> Balkans' could take place? In Transylvania? Of course, not.
> This clear shows us that Albanians ancestors were nearby

Greek's

> borders in sec. III BC (because in 165 BC the Romans already

occupied

> Skodra).
>
> Only the Best,
> Marius

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Old Greek loans in Albanian
Just to show absurdity of chauvinistic view about Albanian language
and Albanians, I will try to find all loans from Old Greek, that
testify for about 3000 years of coexistence of Albanians and Greeks
in today's territory.
It is believed that Old Greek loans in Albanian have mostly cultural
character. Thus, from Doric Greek in Albanian (later Gr Dor) we have
loans:
1. Geg <drapen> `sickle, hook, reaping-hook', Tosk <drapër> `id.'
from Gr Dor <drapenon> (notice n > r / V_V); Gr <drepanon>;
2. Geg <moken> `millstone', Tosk <mokër> `id.' from <ma:khana> (/o:/

> /a/, n > r / V_V). See also Latin loan <machina>;

3. Geg/Tosk <presh> `leek' from Gr <prason>, probably singularized
plural, due tu i-Umlaut (s > sh);
4. Geg/Tosk <qershi> `cherry, cherry-tree' from Gr <kherasia>
through *kjer(ë)sia (kj > q) > qershi:;
5. Geg <pjepen>, Tosk <pjepër> `melon' from Gr <peponon> (e > je,
like in <kherasia> and n > r / V_V)
6. Geg <laken>, Tosk <lakër> `cabbage' from Gr <lakhanon> (n > r /
V_V);
7. Geg/Tosk <lëpjetë> `dock' from Gr <lapetha>;
8. Geg/Tosk <shpellë> `cave' from Gr <spelaion> (l > ll/V_V);
9. Geg <liqen> `lake', Tosk <liqer> `id.'from Gr <lekane>;
10. Tosk <balladër> `abyss' from Gr <barathron> (disimilation r – r

> ll – r);

11. Tosk <kora> from Gr <ikona> `icon (apheresis of unstressed
syllable /i/ and n > r / V_V);
12. Gjerek•ar/Gjerak•ar (noticed by Skok), place name, from Gr
<ierax, -cos> `falcon, hawk'; extended form in suffix –ina
<gjeraq•inë> `falcon';
13. <kallëzoj> `tell, punish' from Gr <kolazo> `punish' (l > ll/V_V);
14. <gashtë> 'kneecap' from Gr <gaster, gastra> (cf. <gastare> from
New Greek);

To be contiunued

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