Re: [tied] Re: More Slavic accentology

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 35405
Date: 2004-12-09

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:29:26 +0000, "Anders R. Jørgensen"
<ollga_loudec@...> wrote:

>--- In, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> As far as the oxytone neuters are concerned, I truly think
>> my solution is simpler (nothing changed from PIE to Slavic),
>> and explains much more (e.g. why most oxytone neuters are
>> AP(b) and why there are hardly any AP(c) neuters). Note
>> that besides the suffixes -nó-, -ló-, -ró-, etc., neuters
>> ending in -inó-, -imó-, -ikó-, -ijó- etc. are also AP(b):
>> bIrvInó, govInó, gumInó, kopIjé, pisImó, sIrdIcé, etc., so
>> the phenomenon is by no means restricted to formations
>> containing -CC-.
>I may well be missing some points, but how do we know that we should
>reconstruct -inó-, -imó-, -ikó, -ijó- etc. in these words?

Most of them will be substantivized neuter adjectives, where
the stress was normally on the suffix, Skt. -(i)yá-, -má-,
-(i)ká-, etc.

>In Lith., -ìmas and -ìkas belong to AP 2, and thus point to older
>immobile *-íma-, *-íka- (> Slav. -Imó, -Icé).

The PIE accentuation is reflected in Skt. -(i)ká-, Grk.
-(i)kó-. There was no PIE *-íko-, as far as I know.
I see no reason to think there ever was a change in position
of the ictus from PIE *-ikóm to Slavic -Icé. Lithuanian
must have retracted the accent.

I know that postulating three accentual paradigms
(barytonic, mesotonic and mobile) for Proto-(Balto-)Slavic
goes against accepted opinion that PBS had only two types
(barytone and mobile), as in pre-Saussure Lithuanian, but if
standard theory cannot answer a simple question like "what
happened to the oxytone o-stem neuters?", then standard
theory cannot be right. The answer to the question is I
think quite obviously: "they became AP(b)", which also
answers the question "what happened to mesotonic thematic
verbal formations such as -né-, -yé-/-iyé- and -éie-?".

Note that I do not reject Dybo's law, I merely think that it
didn't create the AP(b) category, just enriched it.

I haven't given much thought to what happened to the
mesotonic category in Lithuanian, or which if any light
Latvian sheds on the matter.

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal