Re: [tied] OCS 'dovesti'

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From: "alex" <alxmoeller@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] OCS 'dovesti'


> mkapovic@... wrote:
> >> which is the relationship between OCS "dovesti" and "dovedon"?Are
> >> they one and the same verb and if yes, then how is to explain the
> >> "-vesti" versus "-vedon" here? Is the "do" there a component part as
> >> in "da vidim" ( to see )?
> >>
> >
> > "Do" is a preposition meaning something like "at, near to, close to".
> > It is also often used as a prefix with verbs. It is different from
> > "da" which is a conjunction.
> > The connection of -vesti and -vedoN: -dt- regularly > -st- (-tt-
> > also). Already in PIE we have *s inserted in *TT. In Slavic *TsT >
> > *st.
> >
> > Mate
>
> Thank you Mate. I was aware about "do" being a preposition but I was not
> aware about its role as prefix for some verbs this is why I asked if "do"
> play a such role as "da" in the conjuctive construction "idem da vidim"
> .What I stil don't understand is the change of "vedon" to "vesti". I mean,
> originaly was the verb "vedon" and it changed to "vesti" or how can one
see
> in this special case the dt > st?
>
> Alex

What does "vedon" mean? (1.ps.sg. praes. ind.? I am not sure, tell me,
please). "vesti" is the infinitive of the verb "to lead". As for the
change -dt- > -st-, it really IS a regular change in Slavic languages. Other
example: IE *e:d- > PS * j-e:d- ("eat") >>>> Pre-OCz *j-ied-ti > OCz jiesti
("to eat") etc. Similar change occured in -tt- groups, too. (i.e. -tt-
> -st-) In modern Czech, the first person singular of indicative present
tense is "vedu", 2.-dtto- "vedes^", 3. -dtto- "vede" etc., but there is
another verb (with different grade of ablaut) with the very same meaning:
"vodit" (this o-grade form cannot be used for completed actions, it is the
iter., the e-grade form can). Why is the -tt-/-dt- > -st- change so
difficult to understand? One can imagine that it happened via
affricates -dt- > -ct- > -st- (there is a dial. in Moravia, which shows this
could have happened in deed: ve:ct (=vesti<vedti), me:ct (=mesti<metti),
ple:ct (=plesti<pletti) [c = ts]) Did I help you a little, at least?

Petusek