Re: [tied] IE vowels: The sequel.

From: enlil@...
Message: 33326
Date: 2004-06-30

Jens fixes an error:
> Sorry, there was a typo in this. It should be "of what ...", not "if
> what ...". I try again:

Yes, I gathered as much. Thanks.


Jens:
>>> So I read, but of what? And of what is *sod-i-tó-s 'made sit down'
>>> the genitive? And *néw-o-s? And *bhér-o-m&1no-s 'being carried'
>>> and *dhugh-m.H1nó-s 'being utilized'?
>
> Thus addressed, now in understandable terms, you can no longer reply
> as follows:
>
>> This is what I'm saying. I've given the Mandarin example that shows
>> that this is a real possibility that can't be discounted.
>
> Then, what *are^* the forms mentioned the genitives of?

Erh, I suspect you mean from the confusing grammar above "What are the
forms, that I have cited previously, the genitives of?"

Starting with *soditós, it can be clearly seen that it is the genitive
of an action noun in *-t that is further based on the causative of 'sit'
(*sod-eye-). The adjective *newos is the genitive of the verb stem *neu-.
The semantic difference between 'the new house' and 'the house of (being)
new' is moot but in fact, we say this in English (eg: 'the days of old').
Finally, *bHeromhnos and *dHugHmhnos just seem to be genitives of
*bHeromn-hn- 'that which is carried' and *dHugHmn-hn- 'that which is
being availed of', further derived from mediopassive forms of *bHer- and
*dHeugh- respectively. What's the problem with any of that?


= gLeN