From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 32656
Date: 2004-05-16
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"<alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:Latin
> >
> > Abdullah, could you help me here with the origin of 'esh'
> > termination in Albanian.
> > Maybe when the Hungarians arrived, the form was
> > already 'Zomesh' and not 'Zomush' but the name has
> been "Latinized'
> > with the Latin ending '-us' in the transcription of Hungarian
> > Chronicle.Bren-
> >
> > 6.5 The Hungarian attested 'Zomus' shows also that when the
> > Hungarians learned the river name (around 900AC) :
> >
> > a. the Albanoid pronunciation was more relevant than the
> Romance
> > one.
> > b. or that the Hungarians loans an 'sV' like an 'zV'.
> >
> > I'm not sure which which of the points a) or b) are more
> > probable.
> >
> > In any case this is the more likely scenario that I could
> found
> > to explain 'Samus->Zomus' and also the Romanian "Somesh'
> >
> > I appreciate any help to can clarify this issue.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > marius alexandru
> ************
> Dear Marius,
> Albanian suffix -esh is very common in place names: Bradash-esh,
> esh, Bulç-esh, Çikall-esh, Godol-esh, Kat-esh, Kotod-esh, Martan-esh,
> Petr-esh, Zgërdh-esh. Also Albanian national name Geg <Arbn-esh>,ini
> Tosk <Arbër-esh>.
> According to N. Jokl, suffix -esh in <Arbn-esh> has its origin in
> Latin -e(n)sis (cf. Albanensis). He adds that change /s/ > /sh/
> testifies that this suffix is old, from Latin times.
> To my view, as testifies different Illyrian tribes names, like
> Oseriat-es, Dalmat-es, Labeat-es, etc., lake name Lychnid-es,
> personal name Pinn-es, it can also be inherited from Illyrian
> language. I guess that plural ending -es is used as expressive one,
> like plural ending -at in Progon-at, Lazar-at, Fil-at; or suffix -
> in Illyrian place names: Ulc-ini-um, Rhiz-ini-on, Os-ini-um as are
> used Greek names of antiquity <Ai Athenai>, <Ai Thermopulai>, <Ai
> Thebai>, etc.
> Otherweise, river names, usually ended in Illyrian in -us: Margus
> (today Morava), Pingus (today Bistritza), Dravus (today Drava),
> Timochus (today Timok), etc.
>
> Konushevci