Re: [tied] An odd etymology

11-05-2004 11:46, tgpedersen wrote:

> PIE *xapa- (*h2apa-) "water, river" >

PIE *h2o:p-/*h2ap- (a consonantal stem).

> North German,
> North Germanic substrate *haBa- "sea"
> German Haff "lagoon" (on the Baltic)
> Danish hav "sea"

Usually derived from *xaf-/*xab- 'take, grasp; heave, lift' < *kap-, cf.
ON haf 'sea' and 'lifting'. In the meaning 'lagoon, harbour' (cf.
*xafno: > haven) it has extra-Germanic cognates (Celtic *kaPno-
'harbour') that rule out anything but *k-.

> which would work if some North Jastorf (North Germany, Jutland) IE
> language had preserved the laryngeal /h2/. Objections?

Speculative and arbitrary. Any other "substratal" words preserving *h2?

Piotr