Re: An odd etymology

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 11-05-2004 11:46, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > PIE *xapa- (*h2apa-) "water, river" >
>
> PIE *h2o:p-/*h2ap- (a consonantal stem).
>
> > North German,
> > North Germanic substrate *haBa- "sea"
> > German Haff "lagoon" (on the Baltic)
> > Danish hav "sea"
>
> Usually derived from *xaf-/*xab- 'take, grasp; heave, lift' < *kap-

, cf.

> ON haf 'sea' and 'lifting'. In the meaning 'lagoon, harbour' (cf.
> *xafno: > haven) it has extra-Germanic cognates (Celtic *kaPno-
> 'harbour') that rule out anything but *k-.
>
> > which would work if some North Jastorf (North Germany, Jutland)

IE

> > language had preserved the laryngeal /h2/. Objections?
>
> Speculative and arbitrary.

I know.

Any other "substratal" words preserving *h2?

>

Not yet. One's got to be the first. But note that it would provide a
source for Koivulehto's assumed loaned IE laryngeals (into Finnish).

Torsten