Re: [tied] -osyo 4 (was: Nominative Loss. A strengthened theory?)

>> http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dcwalker/PronCF.pdf
>
> Unlike the PDF you gave that made no distinction between
> dental and alveolar phonemes, the information in this PDF is
> correct, and proves my point about vowel quantity in French.

Hooray, Miggy likes it! I will send a letter to UofCal telling
them that they have been approved :P

> The 3-way contrast is not systematic, and I never claimed it
> was. mettre has short /E/. mètre has long /E:/ (or
> half-long /E./) by compensatory lengthening (loss of schwa).
> Maître has overlong /E::/ (or long /E:/) because long /E:/
> resulting from the diphthong /ai/ was further lengthened
> after the loss of /h/ (< /s/).

Yes, but this is more assertion. I still want to know where
such a three-way contrast is maintained. Paris? Montreal?
Chicoutimi? Phnom Penh? Where? It's so rare that nobody
apparently can tell me the answer to this simple question.

This has nothing to do with the original question of whether
French has triple-contrast... it apparently doesn't. At least
not Standard French, the French we were talking about! So end
of story. Historical linguistics, artifacts, existence or
non-existence, all of that had nothing to do with the original
assertion you made. That assertion, that French had a three-way
contrast like Estonian, is wrong and you stand corrected.

> Pay attention. ê is always /E/, never /e/, in standard
> European French.

Alright, well it ain't necessarily the case au Canada, mon
ami têtu. But I was also saying that the vowel is also
pronounced as [E]. So that's fine but all this doesn't show
that there is a triple-contrast. Where do we find it amongst
native speakers in Europe? Unless you can find that, I won't
leave you alone on your continued assertion.

> In standard French, closed /e/ doesn't normally occcur in
> closed syllables (at least when stressed: "Both /e/ and /E/
> may occur in final open syllables, but only /E/ occurs in
> closed position"), and is therefore never long or half-long
> (there is no length contrast in open syllables).

Alright, fine. Still, where's the three-way contrast? Who in
Gaia's bosom speaks it?


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