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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci" > > I forgot
to add that some see Basque andere ("woman") as a loan
> from
> > Celtic, as opposed to the various related Celtic words being
> derived
> > from Basque. See Xavier Delamarre's Dictionnaire de la langue
> > gauloise (under the entry for anderos).
> >
> > - Chris Gwinn
> ************
> According to H. Krahe, root *and- is very much present also in
> Illyrian: Andetrion/Andetrium (place name); personal names:
> Andenus, Andueia, Anduenna (Tomaschek, B.B. 9, 99).
> I wonder could this root be also related to Alb.
<ânde/ënde> 'flower'
> (Delamarre, IED, 155) with cognates in Greek <anthos> 'id.', Skt
> <andhas-> and arm. <and>.
>
> Konushevci
Hmm..yes, 'anthropos', 'humans' could be anyone of the ff. 1. A
survivor of that Vasconic-prePIE relationship which brings us Basque
_andere_ and Gk _andr_ or 2. Ancestor of both 3. A direct descendant
of Gk _andr_.
I was comparing the words with the Hebrew for Adam and Eve. the first
according to Biblical translators more aptly for 'human beings' while
the second 'mankind'. Somehow the distinctions become blurred. But
other societies with almost near resemblances really see them (those
near resemblances) as 'man' and 'woman'. And 'Eve' really seem to be
the 'other side' or 'opposite' of Adam while Adam himself seem to
be 'other side' of something. Perhaps if Adam was reddish or earthly,
the point of reference could either be blackish (more earthly) or
something heavenly or divine.
I really do not know but I suspect Gk _andr_ can best be compared
with the I in IE that is 'sindhus' (Indus river) or the god Indra.
Indra is the king of the pantheon and ruler of a heaven of pleasures
where brave men who died in battle go. He is known as 'Son of Might'
and 'Lord of Powers'. His parentage was supposed to be that of Heaven
and Earth (like the Sumerian 'Enki') who once lived together but were
driven apart. Indra's great feat was the Slaying of the Serpent, the
dragon Vritra (Vrta), known as the covering or Restrainer who held
confined the Cosmic Waters and their son the Sun. Their moisture and
light were necessary for the Creation of the Universe.
Basically I see words with -Vnd- or -Vnt- as something with a
particular negation. We can see those in 'antedeluvian', before the
flood, "Anti-", suffix denoting 'opposite', 'rival', 'before'. In
English we also saw something like 'antero', which
denotes 'after', 'front', 'fore'.
An interesting word would be the English _hind_, 'behind', 'situated
behind', 'in the rear', 'posterior'. But other meanings trace the
word 'hind' from the protoforms *kemti or *kem- 'hornless', young
deer or 'female of a red deer'.
So the negations of -Vnd- or -Vnt- could be something older than
something, something younger (a son or descendant), before, after. If
the point of reference was something divine, then it could be humans
(like perhaps anthropos, mannus, adamah). If the point of reference
was man then it could be woman (like Basque _andere_). But the Gk
_andr_ male may have not started from a point of reference which is
female. MOre likely it came from something as a negation of those not
humans, possibly divine (the -r in _Andr_).
All in all I see also the mysterious Meditteranean words with final
ending -inthos as related (like the river Sindhus). Near Troy was the
river Scamander also known as Xanthos or Xanthus. Later words with -
Vnd- or -Vnt- although probably initially referring to men will get
divine attributes. Or in some instances they were first, and
themselves initially divine.
Loreto