Re: Late Proto Albanian *3 /dz/ = Early Proto Romanian *3 /dz/

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> > <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > > 04-02-04 07:37, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > >
> > > > I make this reply to make clear that change /k/ > /p/ is
> present
> > > > from ancient times, as in Albanian, as in Romanian and, in

one

> > way
> > > > or other to satisfy my friend George Knysh that Albanian are
> > also
> > > > descendants of Poionians, as well as of Dardanians and all
> other
> > > > Illyrian tribes.
> > >
> > > "Proving" that reflexes *kW and *p alternate Albanian by
> > suggesting that
> > > they perhaps did in the almost entirely enigmatic and hard-to-
> > classify
> > > dialects of ancient Paeonia or Dardania is a novel

methodological

> > > proposal. You seem to be unable to define "Illyrian" in the

first

> > place
> > > -- you just lump together all the little-known languages spoken
> in
> > the
> > > area in ancient times and take it to be axiomatically true that
> > they
> > > _must_ have been closely related to one another as well as

being

> > > ancestral to Albanian. The resulting notion of "Illyrian" is
> vague
> > and
> > > as easy to play with as plasticine, but it's completely useless
> > because
> > > of its meaninglessness.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > ************
> > No, there was something much interesting, regarding the Illyrian
> and
> > the Albanian: the outcome of PIE diphthong /*au/ > /a/ (cf.
> > Taulantia > Talantia; Ausankalie > Asankalis, Bausta > Basta.
> > Furthermore, as Krahe claims, /au/ is a prefix and preverb too,
> fact
> > that I have prove, discussing the first part of demonstrative
> > pronouns in Albanian: <ai> `he', <ajo> `she', <ata/ato> `they',
> > accepted by Mr. Jens Elmegaard RASMUSSEN as only valid

explanation.

> >
>
>
> Now _that_ I find interesting, since words of Schrijver's 'language
> of bird names', which I suspect is identical to Krahe's 'Old
> European' have a 'detachable' initial /a/-.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29898
>
> But in that case perhaps it should be /a/ > /au/, or have PIE roots
> been identified in the placenames you mention?
>
> Torsten

************
Dear Torsten,
Thanks for the question. Really I was cited Hans Krahe's work "Die
alten Balkanillyrischen gegraphischen namen", Heidelberg, 1925 - with
correction of the page - it was not only page 16, but also page 81.

Konushevci