Richard Wordingham wrote:
>> In the form ArgeS appears problematicaly the "S". So far we
> know, "S" in
>> Rom. is just from an "s/+" or dialectal, from an "c/+"
>
> Do you have examples of the fate of Latin -si- before vowels?
I cannot think of any now. Anyway, it must be a Latin "si:-" for allowing
palatalisantion since "si" should have yelded "se" in PBR and there is no
palatalisation under the influnece of unstressed "e". One will maybe play
the diphtongation game of "e" > "ie" and with this help will have the
requested medium for palatalisation.
>
> Of kW > c^> s:
>>> Piotr has already given you some examples (
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29877 )
>
>> I fail to see the Romanian reflexes in the message mentioned . You
>> see them?
>
> That's primarily a discussion of Albanian. Are you after an example
> of a palatalised labiovelar? Miguel has already give an example of
> labialised palatals.
>
> Richard.
Piotr implied Romanian here as well and he wrote:
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Palatalised *kW is reflected as Romanian /c^/. We can
therefore tentatively assume the following intermediate stages:
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I cannot see any example with *kW where we can see a Rom. word which shows
"c^"
The example of "cioara" < k^we:r(h2)a(h2) is almost the rom. word if one
consider k^ is palatal.
To transcriobe the word without laringials:
k^we:r(h2)a(h2)= c^ue:ra
Assuming ( after the testimonies of Greeks that the vowels have been very
open in Thracian) one can say the long /e:/ = /a/, thus
c^ue:ra > c^uara= cioara. which means almost no change at al. even there
wont be any need for a diphtongation of /o/ to /oa/ since /ua/==/oa/
But here is no *kW in this example , just k^w. I was asking for the word
which show the kW > c^ in Rom. as Piotr mentionated it.
Alex