[tied] Re: Dog

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 26-01-04 13:10, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > Retention of the final /n/ we have also in: Lat. fraxinus > (g.)
> > frashën, but Tosk <frashër> 'ash(-tree)'
>
> Levelled out in favour of -r in Tosk. The alternation *-n/*-r- has

not

> survived here.
>
> > , Lat. arena > (g.) rânë, but
> > Tosk <rëra> 'sand',
>
> Non-final (and, of course, non-alternating).
>
> > Lat. ordo, -inis > (g.) urdhë, (t.)
> > urdhër 'order', Lat. orphanus > (g.) i vorfun, (t.) i

varfër 'orphan'.

>
> Levelled out as above (no -n/-r- alrternation in Tosk). My guess is

that

> the "dog" word also underwent analogical levelling but in the

opposite

> direction (i.e. in favour of -n).
>
> > But, if we consider Illyrian (attested forms for <dog> are <can>

and

> > <cand>) as intemediate stage of Albanian, I think that we will

have

> > no difficulty to explain nor Albanian <qen>, niether Alb.
> > <qerr>/<qarr> 'cerris, oak'< *kWerkW-(attested Illyrian forms
> > <Kerkyra>/<Korkyra), the thesis that you object constantly.
>
> *kWerkW- is not PIE but Italic (from assimilated *perkW-). There's

no

> such assimilation in Albanian, cf. <pjek> vs. Lat coquo:, both from
> *pekW-. Alb. -rr- doesn't derive from *-rk-. The Turkey oak was

called

> <cerrus> already in Classical Latin, hence the Albanian word. If

you

> propose something illogical, you may expect me to object, and if

you do

> so again and again, I'll object constantly.
>
> Piotr

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Assimilation in distance was characteristic also for Illyrian and
Albanian too. I know that you don't except my derivation of Alb.
<sos> 'burn out' and <përsos> 'to complete, to finish, to ripen
completly' form assimilated form *kWe:kW-, but Alb. <thith> 'to
suck', derived possible from zero-grade form *su:k^-, assimilated in
*k^u:k^- proves that assimilation in distance is also present in
Albanian, as is in Illyrian, Celtic and Latin languages. I find no
difficulty to see exactly assimilated form *kWerkW-u of *perkW-u as
proto-form of Illyrian Kerkyra/Korkyra and Alb. qerr/qarr 'oak'.

Konushevci

Konushevci