Re: [tied] PIE -> Dacian : Method (part 1)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > 19-01-04 11:38, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> >
> > > I wouldn't exclude the possibility that the substratal word was
> *brad-
> > > rather than *bra3- to begin with. Albanian -dh- (in <bredh>)

can

> be
> > > ambiguous (I'm preparing a series of postings about the PIE >
> Albanian
> > > developments). A convincing IE etymology would decide the issue.
> >
> > P.S. The best etymology I've seen so far is from PIE *bHrozdH-
> 'spike,
> > prick', with Celtic and Germanic cognates, cf. Pokorny's "bhares,
> > bhores" etymon. PIE *zd(H) yields Alb. dh regularly, but I'm not
> sure
> > about the intermediate stages and their chronology (several
> > possibilities look equally likely), so I can't tell you right now
> > whether <brad> is regularly expected or analogical.
> >
> > Piotr
> ************
> To my view, <bra-d> 'fir-tree' is suffixed form in -t/-d, making
> diminutives in Albanian (see also Çabej SGJ VIII, Camaj AW), so
> primary form must be *bhro-, comparable with Slavic <bor> from
> metathetic form *bhro-. <bredh-i> is just a singularized plural of
> <brad>, which is an intermediary form, preserved in Romanian.
> Other derivatives are: breshtë < bredhshtë 'fir-tree forest' (cf.
> vjeshtë < vjellshtë 'autumn', vëneshtë/vëresht < venë/verë + -
> eshtë), etc. All these forms go back to PIE *bher-2 'bright,

brown',

> even, phonetically speaking, I doubt that much plausible form

should

> be *bher&g^ -to shine, bright, white, suspicion that I have

expressed

> regarding exactly Alb. <bredh> and Slavic <breza>.
>
> Konushevci

I have some doubts here regarding the "bher-2" because all the
reflexes of *bher- in Rom. are without methathesis and are reflected
as "pâr-".The requested root here is something with "bhr-/br-" at the
begin of the word, but not "bhVr-"

Albanian "breshte" appears to be a developed form of Rom. "brãdiS"
possible from an *brediSte with loss of intervocalic "d", thus:
*bredishte > breshte.
the problem here will be that the suffix "-Ste" is not at all Slavic
as thought, but more ancient for allowing the loss of "d" in Albanian.

If there are questions regarding Rom. "brãdish", then this mean 'fir-
tree forest' .

Alex