Re: [tied] PIE -> Dacian : Method (part 1)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 19-01-04 11:38, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't exclude the possibility that the substratal word was

*brad-

> > rather than *bra3- to begin with. Albanian -dh- (in <bredh>) can

be

> > ambiguous (I'm preparing a series of postings about the PIE >

Albanian

> > developments). A convincing IE etymology would decide the issue.
>
> P.S. The best etymology I've seen so far is from PIE *bHrozdH-

'spike,

> prick', with Celtic and Germanic cognates, cf. Pokorny's "bhares,
> bhores" etymon. PIE *zd(H) yields Alb. dh regularly, but I'm not

sure

> about the intermediate stages and their chronology (several
> possibilities look equally likely), so I can't tell you right now
> whether <brad> is regularly expected or analogical.
>
> Piotr

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To my view, <bra-d> 'fir-tree' is suffixed form in -t/-d, making
diminutives in Albanian (see also Çabej SGJ VIII, Camaj AW), so
primary form must be *bhro-, comparable with Slavic <bor> from
metathetic form *bhro-. <bredh-i> is just a singularized plural of
<brad>, which is an intermediary form, preserved in Romanian.
Other derivatives are: breshtë < bredhshtë 'fir-tree forest' (cf.
vjeshtë < vjellshtë 'autumn', vëneshtë/vëresht < venë/verë + -
eshtë), etc. All these forms go back to PIE *bher-2 'bright, brown',
even, phonetically speaking, I doubt that much plausible form should
be *bher&g^ -to shine, bright, white, suspicion that I have expressed
regarding exactly Alb. <bredh> and Slavic <breza>.

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