--- Alexander Stolbov <
astolbov@...> wrote:
> There are archaeological arguments for the westwards
> movements in the Middle
> Bronze Age steppes
> - the direction of distribution of round psalia from
> the Ural region
> (Sintashta) to the west (to Romania and then further
> to Micenian Greece);
> and in the Late Bronze Age steppes
> - the direction of distribution of the tin bronze
> metallurgy from east (West
> Siberia and Ural) to west.
> BTW, the Iron Age also demonstrates only westward
> general movements in the
> steppes.
>
> Of course, these considerations can not prove that
> Sabatinovka is the
> ancestor for Noua and historical Thracians,
*****GK: The Noa(Noua) culture is considered by
Romanian and Ukrainian archaeologists to be a Late
Bronze culture localized in Romania (SE Transylvania
and Prut r. basin), northern Moldavia, and the right
bank of the Dnister. It is synchronous to the
Sabatynivka culture of the Ukrainian steppes [both ca.
1300-1000 BC]. Noa is viewed as proto-Thracian. Its
roots are complex: there are recognized affinities
with the Middle Bronze cultures of Monteoru-Kostisha
in Moldavia and Wittenberg in Transylvania. At the
same time the consensus is also that "one cannot
diminish the role played by eastern elements (the Late
Zrubna tribes) in the genesis of the Noa culture". So
in a way this is pretty close to the view you are
advancing. It's all a matter of emphasis I think. But
there is still a lot to unravel with respect to the
interplay of Thracian, Iranian, and Indic in these
territories. And perhaps of other IE languages. There
is some very recent research (V. Klochko) which
contends (on the basis of the very significant
diminution of Sabatynivka settlements between 1200 and
900 BC, and the discovery of Sabatynivka artifacts in
Cyprus) that the Sabatynivka population took part in
the so-called "Peoples of the Sea" movement of the
12th c. BC.(some of them were allegedly a component of
the Philistines), and that the Bilozerska c.
represents a fusion of Sabatynivka remnants with more
eastern Late Zrubna groups.*******
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