Re: Dacian - /H/ -> seems not possible

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

> Hello Abdullah,
> Thanks for this update.
>
> I'm confused because my arguments doesn't fit at all your
> arguments.
>
> Could you tell me if albanian /h/ is very old (pre-albanian) or

is

> more recent (like IX - X century or later)?
>
> Thanks again and Best Regards,
> marius a.
>
> P.S. By the way, why 'hame:s' is without /sh/? It's an inherited
> word or a loan?
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> <alexandru_mg3@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Mr. Iacomi,
> > > a) I want to ask you where you found Haprus for Dacian

plant.

> > > (<lat. apricus)
> > >
> > > I have only a german version of Dioskurides where is
> > marked :
> > > Dakier Aprus.
> > > Could you give me an url where Haprus appears?
> > >
> > > b) Could we imagine that the Dacian had /H/ ?...I don't

think

> > so.
> > > Despite some plant names at Dioskurides (in fact I found
> > only
> > > one : Hormia ) there is no other dacian toponym that
> contains /H/.
> > > Also romanian loans from latin don't have /H/ either
> (this
> > > logic is based on the supposition (-> need to be proved) that

the

> > > romanian substratum is a dacian one).
> > >
> > > c) We only have romanian "hameS" (h~amesit) 'hungry'

related

> to
> > > albanian 'hame:s' (whitout /sh/ ?!).
> > >
> > > d) Could everybody tell me if the latin loans in albanian
> > > contain /H/ ? Or albanian 'inherited' words?
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > marius a.
> > ************
> > Albanian /h/ may have different origin. It was grosso modo

accepted

> > that in inherited words PIE *sk- yields in Alb. /h/: *skeud- 'to
> > throw' > hedh 'id.', PIE *osk- > Alb. ah 'beech', PIE *ghse:n- >
> > Alb. i huej/ i huaj 'stranger'; in all inchoative verbs: PIE
> *gne:sco
> > > njoh 'to know', PIE *gWre:sco > n-groh 'to warm', etc. But,
> > Alb. /h/ could be also at the beginning of the words: PIE *ort-
> > 'winestock' > Alb. hardhi (*or > har), PIE *org^hi- >
> > herdhe 'testicle' < hardhi and Lat. arcus > hark 'bow'.
> > So, Hormia in Dacian for me is quite acceptable.
> >
> > Konushevci

************
In inherited words, evolution *-sk- > /-h-/ probably is one
prehistoric phenomenon, that didn't affect neither Greek loans, nor
latin ones.

Konushevci