Re: Dacian - /H/ -> seems not possible

Hello Abdullah,
Thanks for this update.

I'm confused because my arguments doesn't fit at all your
arguments.

Could you tell me if albanian /h/ is very old (pre-albanian) or is
more recent (like IX - X century or later)?

Thanks again and Best Regards,
marius a.

P.S. By the way, why 'hame:s' is without /sh/? It's an inherited
word or a loan?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"

<alexandru_mg3@...>

> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Mr. Iacomi,
> > a) I want to ask you where you found Haprus for Dacian plant.
> > (<lat. apricus)
> >
> > I have only a german version of Dioskurides where is
> marked :
> > Dakier Aprus.
> > Could you give me an url where Haprus appears?
> >
> > b) Could we imagine that the Dacian had /H/ ?...I don't think
> so.
> > Despite some plant names at Dioskurides (in fact I found
> only
> > one : Hormia ) there is no other dacian toponym that

contains /H/.

> > Also romanian loans from latin don't have /H/ either

(this

> > logic is based on the supposition (-> need to be proved) that the
> > romanian substratum is a dacian one).
> >
> > c) We only have romanian "hameS" (h~amesit) 'hungry' related

to

> > albanian 'hame:s' (whitout /sh/ ?!).
> >
> > d) Could everybody tell me if the latin loans in albanian
> > contain /H/ ? Or albanian 'inherited' words?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > marius a.
> ************
> Albanian /h/ may have different origin. It was grosso modo accepted
> that in inherited words PIE *sk- yields in Alb. /h/: *skeud- 'to
> throw' > hedh 'id.', PIE *osk- > Alb. ah 'beech', PIE *ghse:n- >
> Alb. i huej/ i huaj 'stranger'; in all inchoative verbs: PIE

*gne:sco

> > njoh 'to know', PIE *gWre:sco > n-groh 'to warm', etc. But,
> Alb. /h/ could be also at the beginning of the words: PIE *ort-
> 'winestock' > Alb. hardhi (*or > har), PIE *org^hi- >
> herdhe 'testicle' < hardhi and Lat. arcus > hark 'bow'.
> So, Hormia in Dacian for me is quite acceptable.
>
> Konushevci