From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 27476
Date: 2003-11-21
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "m_iacomi" <m_iacomi@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" wrote:
>
> > Could somebody help me with the derivation of latin <cotoneus>
> > to romanian <gutui>
>
> Lat. "(malum) cotoneus" `quince-tree`, `quince (fruit)` deriving
> from the name Cydonia (city in Crete) is a probable ancestor for
> Romanian "gutui" (`quince tree/fruit`).
>
> cotoneu(m) > *cutun'u/*gutun'u (Common Romanian) > gutui (DRom.)
> Stressed /o/ before /n/ goes regularly to (stressed) /u/ (second).
> Unstressed /o/ yields normally /u/ (first).
> For the ending, the evolution is perfectly similar to
> "calcaneu(s)" > *cãlcãn'u > cãlcâi.
> For voicing of /k/ in /g/, the phenomenon is a feature already
> noted in AP (78: calatus non galatus) and affects several words
> as crassus > gras `fat` or cratis > gratie `lattice bar`. Occasional
> voicing of /k/ is noticed over the centuries in Romanian, up till
> new words: "(c/g)arafã" < ngr. karáfa, fr. carafe, it. caraffa;
> "gâlmã" < sl. chl'UmU, "ghebã" < tc. kebe, "ghiozdan" < tc. cüzdan,
> etc.
>
> > Why : <lat. co, cot -> <rom. gu , gut ?
>
> Bad question. For voicing of /k/ see above.
>
> > Maybe <gutui> is not from latin as DEX indicates...
>
> Rather the opposite.
>
> Cheers,
> Marius Iacomi