Re: Older Dacian zone in Balkans = Later Latin zone in Balkans

Hello Miguel,
Only to finish with the Dacian substrate in Moesia:

Despite some of his conclusions like :
"the phonology of these languages, for example, proves that they are
very different from each other." (I will explain you in another mail
what does it means in political terms...)
Georgiev counts very well the Dacian toponyms of Moesia region :

"The Daco-Mysian Region"
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" - Eight are attested in the south-eastern part of Mysia Superior,
i.e. Dardania and Dacia Mediterranea (today north-eastern
Yugoslavia)."

"- Ten of them are to be found in Scythia Minor (today Dobruda) and
Mysia Inferior (today northern Bulgaria). "

" Place names of this type are therefore characteristic only in
Dacia and Mysia and are absent in Thrace. "

"Thracian region"
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" These three types of toponym occur only in Thrace; they do not
appear in Dacia, in Mysia or in the western part
of the Balkan Peninsula. Besides these there are other toponyms and
personal, names that appear only in Thrace
or only in Dacia. "

If you will not agree : please say yourself what is the substrate
of Moesia region ?

Best regards,
marius a.

From Vladimir Georgiev (The Slavonic and East European Review 44,
no. 103, 1960, pp. 285-297)

"
The Daco-Mysian Region

There are about fifty toponyms formed as two-stem compound words with
the term dava 'town, city', e.g. Acidava, , Thermidava, Cumidava,
Rusidava, Sucidava, etc.
The number of toponyms of this type is considerable.
This enables us to make some conclusions on the basis of their
geographical distribution.
Their distribution is as follows:


- Twenty-nine of these names, i.e. more than half of them, appear in
Dacia (today Rumania):
Dacia was, therefore, their centre of irradiation.
- Ten of them are to be found in Scythia Minor (today Dobruda) and
Mysia Inferior (today northern Bulgaria).
- Eight are attested in the south-eastern part of Mysia Superior,
i.e. Dardania and Dacia Mediterranea
(today north-eastern Yugoslavia).

Only one is to be found in Thrace, namely Pulpudeva, but this town is
said to have been founded by Philip II,
king of the Macedonians, who gave it his own name Pulpu-deva (=
Philippo-polis 'the- city of Philip').
Hence the name Pulpudeva is not autochthonous in Thrace, but imported
from the west where other such toponyms existed.

Place names of this type are therefore characteristic only in Dacia
and Mysia and are absent in Thrace. "




The Thracian Region

In Thrace there are about fifty toponyms formed as two-stem compound
words with the term para
(probably meaning 'river' or 'brook'), e.g. , Bessapara, , Sauzupara
etc.; fourteen toponyms
formed as two-stem compound words with the term bria 'town, city',
e.g. , etc.;
eleven toponyms formed as two-stem compound words with the term
diza 'fortress', e.g. Beodizos, Orudiza, , etc.
These three types of toponym occur only in Thrace; they do not appear
in Dacia, in Mysia or in the western part
of the Balkan Peninsula. Besides these there are other toponyms and
personal, names that appear only in Thrace
or only in Dacia.

From this characteristic geographical distribution of the most
frequent toponyms in the eastern part
of the Balkan Peninsula (see Fig. 1) an important conclusion emerges.
If in Thrace and Dacia the same toponymy was not used, then these two
countries must have been inhabited
in antiquity by peoples who spoke two different languages, i.e. two
different ethnic unities dwelt there.
Therefore the Daco-Mysian language was different from the Thracian
one. This conclusion is certain, since
it is not founded on etymologies that might be of a subjective
character, but on geographical distribution
which is an objective criterion.

Thus we have separated Dacian (or Daco-Mysian) from Thracian as two
different IE languages, and all other data
and considerations support this conclusion. The study of the
phonology of these languages, for example,
proves that they are very different from each other.
"