Re: [tied] ornit. terminology (Re: Piotr-)

From: alex
Message: 25495
Date: 2003-09-03

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> 03-09-03 13:51, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
>> About *g^Hjes- > heri: > ieri, I must say that in Alb. is preserved
>> *g^H- > d - in dje 'yesterday', like in <dorër>.
>
> Of course. It's an inherited word in Albanian, and shows the normal
> Satem development of *g^H. Rom. ieri is not substratal (unlike the
> 'stork' word) but normally inherited from PIE via Latin. Incidentally,
> Eng. yester- is also related (cf. Ger. gestern).
>
> Piotr

I did not sustained that "ieri" should be substratual; I am aware of the
Latin words which form _and_ semantic aspect can be found just in Latin.
But since you speak about "h" here which is dropped in Romance , the
Rom. "h" is said to have been brought back in the language by Slavs.
Here some onomatopoea and derivatives which should exist just because
they have been brought by Slavs. I guess there is no need for
translation into english for our coleague who understand a Slavic
language:
hap, haT, hau, a hãui, hãu, huo, hop, hãis, hohot,a hãuli,a hori, hârS

Some words which are not supposed to derive from imediately
recogniscible onomatopea:
hranã, har, harancã, habanã, habocã, hachiTã, harchinã, hartan, a
hurduca, a hurdui, horã, habã, heaTã, horoi, hoT, hudrã, huhurez
(huhureazã),

the same it is said about the "j" which is seen as the Old Slavic "z^".
I give here mixed words (etymologicaly)
jale, jar, jneapãn, a juca, a jura, judeT, jug, a înjunghia, a jindui,
jaf, jeb, joardã, joianã, jos,a juli, etc.
I wonder which w sound has been before the comming of the slavs this "j"
and of course , this "h".

Alex