Re: [tied] karam

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 09-07-03 17:53, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> >> *****GK: Are these not in fact "pan-slavic" words?
> >> "kara"=punishment, penalty. In Ukrainian, "karaty"
> >> "pokaraty" = to punish. Is there an IE root at work
> >> here or must we look for other sources, e.g. Altaic
> >> perhaps?******
> > ************
> > No, there are all chances to be a loan from Albanian

<kar> 'penis'.

> > It's natural behavior of all languages to loan words of

alternative

> > dictionary from other languages, because they look less obscene.
> > So, Serb. <karati> is just denominal of Alb. <kar> (cf. Alb. fut

<

> > Lat. futuo, confutuo, furrëqi < Lat. fornix, -icis).
> > We have also in Persian <kar> 'tool', <kargah> 'set',
> > <karhane> 'factory'.
> > It is worth to be noticed that in polite conversation is usually

used

> > periphrastic expression 'that thing' for 'penis'.
>
> But it isn't just a South Slavic word. It is pan-Slavic, as George

said

> (cf. also Polish <kara> 'punishment' <karac'> 'punish'). There's

nothing

> "alternative" or obscene about it, and, frankly speaking, the idea

that

> it might come from an Albanian word for 'penis' is most bizarre.
>
> Piotr

************
You have been involved to late in these messages. I havn't talk about
<kara> or <karac> (Serb. and Croatian koriti 'to punish', besides
ukorit, pokoriti). The question was about Serbo-Croatian <karati> 'to
have sex with someone', that has nothing to do with other Slavic root.
It seems that I have reply in George message instead of Fortuna's one.

Konushevci