Re: [tied] karam

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 09-07-03 17:53, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> >> *****GK: Are these not in fact "pan-slavic" words?
> >> "kara"=punishment, penalty. In Ukrainian, "karaty"
> >> "pokaraty" = to punish. Is there an IE root at work
> >> here or must we look for other sources, e.g. Altaic
> >> perhaps?******
> > ************
> > No, there are all chances to be a loan from Albanian <kar> 'penis'.
> > It's natural behavior of all languages to loan words of alternative
> > dictionary from other languages, because they look less obscene.
> > So, Serb. <karati> is just denominal of Alb. <kar> (cf. Alb. fut <
> > Lat. futuo, confutuo, furrëqi < Lat. fornix, -icis).
> > We have also in Persian <kar> 'tool', <kargah> 'set',
> > <karhane> 'factory'.
> > It is worth to be noticed that in polite conversation is usually used
> > periphrastic expression 'that thing' for 'penis'.
>
> But it isn't just a South Slavic word. It is pan-Slavic, as George said
> (cf. also Polish <kara> 'punishment' <karac'> 'punish'). There's

nothing

> "alternative" or obscene about it, and, frankly speaking, the idea that
> it might come from an Albanian word for 'penis' is most bizarre.
>
> Piotr

Piotr, we have been talking about two words with seemingly similar
stems. The word for punishment probably has different etymology.
The word for "do, drive" in Bulgarian might be connected with the
obscene versions in Serbian, because a semantic connection is possible.

Eva