[tied] Re: Catunari

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 23947
Date: 2003-06-27

First, Alb. suffix -ar is used to build: "1. Nouns from nouns with
different meaning; 2. nomina agentis; 3. adjectives from nouns and
verbs; 5. augmentativs and 5. diminutives.
1. Nouns from nouns, that denote one thing, one dish or the place
where one thing is placed, examples: blozar (blozë 'soot'), groshar
(groshë 'small coin'), grunar (grun/grur 'wheat'), kulmar
(kulm 'top'), tinar (tinë 'slime; silt'), etc.
2. Nomina agentis: arar (arë 'field, arable land'), argjendar
(argjend 'silver'), bletar (bletë 'bee'), derrar (derr 'pig'), dhiar
(dhi 'goat'), etc.
3. Noun from nouns that denote (ethnic or social) origine: fshatar
(fshat 'country'), katundar (katund 'village'), qytetar
(qytet 'city'), fushar (fushë 'field'), etc.
4. Augmentatives, masculine and feminine one: gushare (gushë 'neck,
throat'), lugare (lugë 'spoon'), vorbare (vorbë 'potter'), etc.
5. Diminutives and hypocoristics: bardhare (white 'e bardhë' cow),
kopshtar (kopsht 'garden'), etc.
6. Adjectives from nouns, verbs, adverbs: krenar (kren/krye 'head'),
kuvendar (kuvendoj 'to communicate'), mendar (mend 'mind'), motar
(mot 'weather, year), tinëzar (tinëz 'slyly, stealthy'), etc. " (E.
Çabej, Studime gjuhësore, Rilindja, Prishtinë, 1976, pp. 205-206).
So Blaedar could be an augmentative, diminituve or hypokoristik of
the adjective <i blerë> 'pale' < *bl@...
And, as you see, it's function is not only occaputional and
habitative one.
Albanian verbs <mbaj> 'to keep, to hold, tu support' and <bart> 'to
carry, to transport, to take to' are completly different verbs from
different origin and meaning.

Konushevci
************

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> 27-06-03 12:33, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > According to G. Meyer, Jokl, Weigand, Jordan, Pascu, Sandfeld,
this
> > common suffix [-ar -- PG] in all Balkan languages, is derived
from
> > Latin -arius.
>
> Well, I beg to differ, if your report is correct. Celebrities also
make
> mistakes.
>
> > There are many facts that it could be from Illyrian too (cf.
> > Audarus, Longarus, Dardanians king, Leucaros, Masaros and I will
add
> > also Blaedar, according to Pokorny closly related to Alb.
adjective
> > <i blerë> 'pale' < *bl@...
>
> How can you divine the function of this Illyrian suffix? It
doesn't seem
> to be either occupational or habitative, at any rate. Moreover,
unless
> itself a loan from Latin, it can't be related to <-a:rius>, which
owes
> its /r/ to _Latin_ rhotacism (the original consonant was
intervocalic *-s-).
>
> > I don't know such cases where Lat. arius has changed to > oj.
> > It will be crasy to be true.
>
> Crazy? Lat. -a:rius had stressed long /a:/, which would have
yielded
> Mod.Alb. /o/. The ending <-us> would have been dropped, and the
> remaining *rj would have developed into Mod.Alb /j/, as in Alb.
mbaj
> 'bear' < *-barj < *-bHor-ejo: . Of course <-ar> represents Lat. -
a:rius
> in such word as <janar>, <letrar> or <legjendar>, but these are
> obviously late literary loans, not words inherited from Proto-
Albanian.
>
> Piotr