Re: [tied] Re: Catunari

27-06-03 12:33, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

> According to G. Meyer, Jokl, Weigand, Jordan, Pascu, Sandfeld, this
> common suffix [-ar -- PG] in all Balkan languages, is derived from
> Latin -arius.

Well, I beg to differ, if your report is correct. Celebrities also make
mistakes.

> There are many facts that it could be from Illyrian too (cf.
> Audarus, Longarus, Dardanians king, Leucaros, Masaros and I will add
> also Blaedar, according to Pokorny closly related to Alb. adjective
> <i blerë> 'pale' < *bl@...

How can you divine the function of this Illyrian suffix? It doesn't seem
to be either occupational or habitative, at any rate. Moreover, unless
itself a loan from Latin, it can't be related to <-a:rius>, which owes
its /r/ to _Latin_ rhotacism (the original consonant was intervocalic *-s-).

> I don't know such cases where Lat. arius has changed to > oj.
> It will be crasy to be true.

Crazy? Lat. -a:rius had stressed long /a:/, which would have yielded
Mod.Alb. /o/. The ending <-us> would have been dropped, and the
remaining *rj would have developed into Mod.Alb /j/, as in Alb. mbaj
'bear' < *-barj < *-bHor-ejo: . Of course <-ar> represents Lat. -a:rius
in such word as <janar>, <letrar> or <legjendar>, but these are
obviously late literary loans, not words inherited from Proto-Albanian.

Piotr