From: ehlsmith
Message: 23326
Date: 2003-06-15
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
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> It is a very wise idea and it should work if we won't have the
> practicaly experience of what happen when some groups goes too far
away
> from their akins. The valahians who expanded in Polen, Czech,
Slovakei,
> Ukraine, all became assimilated. In some generation they have been
> disspaiered, lettign traces in the languages where tehy have been,
> letting traces in the way to bread the sheeps. But they could not
> assimilate the sedentar Slavic population found there. They became
> assimilate by Slavs.
Alex,
It is very difficult to predict what will happen when two different
linguist groups come into contact, and just because one outcome
occurred in some areas does not mean the same must occur in others.
[NS]
> > I don't know how close to reality this hypothesis really was, but
I
> > believe it very plausible, and it clearly demonstrates that a
simple
> > "stay" or "migrate" scenario is not the only option to consider.
>
[AW]
> Just a practical question here. Do you know something about sheeps?
I
> advice not to read in a book but to ask a shepherd how he will get
his
> sheeps over a fluvium as Danube:-) I will tell you that in the XVI-
XVIII
> century the foreigns travelers have been amased in Balcan seeing the
> aromanians (not dacoromanians) coming down from the mountains with
their
> herds of over 1000 horses and 50.000 sheeps. And that was just the
> property of a "falce" ( not a tribe, but a bigger family).
>
> Now, why I specified aromanians? Because the routes took in sommer
and
> winter are well known. I am not aware of any transhumation of
aromanians
> north of Danube and back in South. The routes are other way. The
> aromanians allways went down from mountain just South of Danube, in
> Thrace, but never in Dacia. As for North, the sheeps have been
driven
> from mountains of dacian Charpatian to the valley of Thies (this
was a
> big problem in the time of Dacians, this was the reason for making
the
> war against jazyges and driving them out in 103/104 AC) . On the
another
> part of Carpathians, the sheeps are driving down to dobrudcha's and
> wallachian's plains.This have been traditionaly routes and it is
very
> hard to change them but, not imposible. A theoreticaly migration on
> this basis is not excluded even if very improbable.
You make a good point on this, and I must now consider my proposed
scenario as unlikely.
Ned Smith