Re: [tied] Re: Yers

--- fortuna11111 <fortuna11111@...> wrote:

>
> (GK)Perhaps they would have survived even
> > longer had they not imploded in a couple of
> > devastating civil wars connected with the problem
> of
> > Christianity. Boris (Bogoris) was actually the
> > gravedigger of the proto-Bulgar ethnos.
>
> (Eva)I am not sure Christianity was so foreign to

the

> Protobulgar
> ethnos. Not more than it was to the Slavs.

*****GK: There were persecutions of Christians by the
Proto-Bulgars of Bulgaria. This is well
documented.****

When

> did the wars
> you mean take place? At the time of Boris?

*****GK: Yes. They were prompted by the resistance of
a majority of the Proto-Bulgar aristocracy to the
imposition of Christianity. The last "blow" was also
delivered by Boris, coming out of retirement in 893 to
eliminate a neo-Pagan threat supported by his son
Vladimir. I'm surprised you don't know your own
history, Eva...******

Btw, he

> has never
> been presented negatively by Bulgarian historians.

*****GK: Why should he? He gave Bulgaria to the Slavs
(:=)))****

> I am really
> amused to read all this. So the following Golden
> Age must have
> been the death of the Bulgars?

*****GK: Of the Proto-Bulgars, not of the Bulgars (by
then the label meant the Slavic speakers).*****

>
> They were no
> > longer a significant presence or power (esp.
> because
> > of their continued opposition to Christianity) by
> the
> > time the Cyrillomethodians arrived in Bulgaria
> (886
> > AD). Cyrillomethodianism (esp. in its early phase)
> was
> > extraordinarily open to liturgical
> multilingualism.
>
> I hear the term Cyrillomethodianism for the first
> time. Sounds
> like all other -isms. Do you describe this as a
> movement of a
> sort?

*****GK: There is a vast literature on this, Eva. Sts.
Constantine/Cyril and St. Methodius and their
disciples.****

>
> A
> > substantial residue of proto-Bulgar speaking
> people
> > would have been a fine incentive to produce
> religious
> > literature for them in that language. But it never
> > happened.
>
> There are, actually findings of carved crosses with
> proto-Bulgarian words. I guess there were such
> attempts, but
> not much evidence is found on them, so they must
> have been a
> few.

*****GK: One wonders what would have happened in
Bulgaria if the Proto-Bulgars had accepted
Christianity, say, in the early 9th c., under Krum.
Perhaps there might have been some Byzantine
Constantine who would have developed an alphabet for
them plus a liturgy plus the lot. The most optimistic
scenario would have had the modern Bulgarians speaking
a Turkic dialect (:=))))******


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