--- fortuna11111 <
fortuna11111@...> wrote:
In 896 Bulgaria was an enormous state, touching on
three seas, as far as I remember. I am not quite
clear on the exact years, but it is either the rule of
Boris I or the beginning of Simeon I. Which means
Bulgaria was enormous, had its Golden age, when most
of the OCS texts were written, more than 7000 churches
(if memory does not lie) were built and the
development of culture reached a level which brought
to the borrowing of many innovations (e.g. in the
field of architecture) on the part of Byzantium.
*****GK: This culture was Slavic-speaking, not
Proto-Bulgar, at the time of Bogoris/Boris and Simeon.
And I'm sure the Macedonians (and others) would have
something to say about part of it.*****
(Eva) You can simply assume that Bulgaria was a huge
state at this moment, with huge cultural influence on
its surroundings. Some time earlier Tervel and
Omurtag called themselves rulers of many Bulgarians,
while they always named the Slavs separately, so that
confusion was not possible at the time.
*****GK: Slavs and Bulgarians are indeed mentioned
separately in the sources until the mid-9th c. After
the catastrophic implosion of the proto-Bulgars, the
meaning of "Bulgar" shifted: it now referred primarily
to the Slavic-speaking majority of the state. All this
is elementary, Eva, and will not be countermanded by
misguided patriotism.*****
(Eva)I think it is a mistake to associate the Bulgars
with the Huns and just with nomads. They show many
features of a culturally developed, "settled" society.
I do agree some Bulgarian tribes were probably
associated with the Huns.
*****GK: This is correct. Only the time frame needs to
be elucidated. The Turko-Bulgarian tribes which
remained under Khazar suzerainty and co-existed with
the Alans in Eastern Ukraine were certainly no longer
as "nomadic" as their predecessors.*****
(GS)Methinks he means Asen bros. (Ivan, Peter and
Yannis "the> Handsome").
(Eva)So they are supposed to be Vlasi? I have never
heard such a theory.
*****GK: It's obviously time you did (:=))****
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