Re: [tied] Abstractness (Was Re: [j] v. [i])

From: Robert B Wilson
Message: 22754
Date: 2003-06-06

On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:01:38 -0000 "Richard Wordingham"
<richard.wordingham@...> writes:
>
> I expect the complementary distribution became apparent when
> someone mechanically went through all the pairs of consonant
> phonemes. Does anyone know the history of the observation? Why
> aren't /w/ v. /N/ and /y/ v. /N/ considered problem pairs? Is it
> because some Americans would actually accept 'low' v. 'lung' and
> 'toy' v. 'tong' (or, using a word of limited distribution, 'dray'
> v. 'dren= > g')
> as minimal pairs?

well, in some american englishes 'toy' vs. 'tong' is a minimal pair. i
pronounce them as [t_hOj] and [t_hONg_}] ([Ng_}] is the actual phonetic
realization of /N/ in my dialect). i'd assume 'dray' and 'dreng' would be
[dZr\Ej] and [dZrENg_}] so that's another one. 'low' [loU] vs. 'lung'
[lVNg_}] wouldn't be an exact minimal pair because they have different
vowels, but 'law' [lOw] vs. 'long' [lONg_}] and 'saw' [sOw] vs. 'song'
[sONg_}] would be...
so we have exact minimal pairs for /w/ vs. /N/ and /j/ vs. /N/ in
american english, but YDMV...

> Richard.

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