--- alex <
alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> george knysh wrote:
>
> >
> > GK: "Roman" is "Rzymianin" in Polish, as far
> as
> > I remember. And in Ukrainian it's "Rymlianyn". Not
> a
> > borrowing from Serbo-Croatian either.
> >
> Are they to be seen as wanderwords from OCS?
> Ukarinean could not have
> anything to do with the Romans for having a direct
> derivative of it, and
> in the same manner the polish. Just the South Slavs
> came in contact with
> the Romans ( actuly with the Greeks).
*****GK: The "heroic epoch" of Slavic expansion from
their homeland involved contacts with the "Romans" on
the Danube (beginning in the 5th c.) by
representatives of many Slavic tribes and clans. Not
all of these pushed across the river. Many returned to
their points of origin. The term doubtless returned
with them. All this long before OCS. I will forego
speculations about even earlier "Roman" contacts (the
"Trajan" walls, the Sarmatae-Venedae of the Peutinger
map, Pliny's "slave Scythian Trogodytae" on the
Danube, et sim.) And you are right about Slavic esp.
East Slavic contacts with the Byzantines. According to
"Nestor's" Chronicle (which you will hopefully read
some day) they called the Black Sea "Rumskoje More" =
the Roman Sea.******
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