[tied] Re: Proto-Albanian

Not Old Latin but Late Latin. At least dictionaries give
LLat. 'salvaticus' as the source of OFr. 'sauvage'. I presume it's
an attested form.
Dan

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:
> P&G wrote:
> >> Latin "silvaticus". In Old Latin it was "salvaticus"
> >
> > I am not aware of this. Can you give examples which are not mere
> > spelling mistakes?
> >
> > Peter
>
>
> It seems I am not the only with a small dictionary:-))
>
> Sorry Peter, I don't intend to be unpolite to you, take it please
just
> as a joke. And now the entries about "silva":
>
> silva, -ae f "Wald, Gehölz"; Fülle, Vorrat, Stoff [ vgl.
> "Silvae"=Materialien]. Seit Naev., Enn., Plaut., Cato, rom., ebenso
> "silvaticus" seit Cato [ vlt. und rom. "salvaticus"=wild unter
> Ahnlehnung an "salvare"] und silvester, -tris, -tre
> [jünger -tra, -trum] "bewaldet" im Walde lebend; wildwachsend",
seit Acc
> [ vgl. "silvestricus seit Ps. Hier., EN "Silvester, -trius"]; vgl.
> "silvosus" seit Liv. "silvaceus" seit Diosc. [ ebenso -um n.=
> "fullion"], "silvastratus", Gl. "silvisco", -ere "gehe zu seher in
Holz,
> verwildere", seit Cic. "silvula"="Wäldchen", seit Colum.; Komp.:
> "silvicaedus" seit Chalc., "silvicola", -ae m. seit Naev. [-colens
> Inschr.], "silvicomus" Gramm [ Norden Komm. 141, "silvicultrix"
Catull,
> "silvifragus" seit Lucr. "silviger", seit Plin; vgl.........."
>
> The etymology is not clear, there is not IE cognates to find, the
roots
> supposed for this have been *(k)seula, for the Greek word "zulon"(
> *ksulom [ root *(k)seuel)-] Lithuanian "sulas "Pfeiler"
ahd. "sul", got
> "saulus" and Greek "-ule"=Wald, Stoff, Materie etc etc etc, if one
wnats
> I will give all the entries here.
>
> Generally is now accepted this is a pre-IE word which come from an
> unknown language, a language from the Mediteranean Space..
>
> Now to the Rom. word. "sãlbatic" ( the variant with /e/
"sãlbatec"
is
> just a hyper-correction since the derivatives are all with /i/)
> salbatic=sm savage, wild or uncouth man adj wild; (about animals)
> untamed; (about people) savage; fierce, cruel
>
> salbatici=vt/vr to turn wild
>
> salbaticie=sf (pustiu) wildness; wilderness; savageness; cu
salbaticie
> fiercely, cruelly
>
> salbaticit=adj (grown) wild
>
> salbaticiune=sf wild animal
>
> sãlbãTie= Lolium temulentun ( unknown etym.)
>
>
> cf DEX= from Vulgar latin salvaticus (=silvaticus)