Re: [tied] How should Nostratic be viewed?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Geraldine Reinhardt" <waluk@...>
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Austronesian or Austro-Asiatic......aren't they the same? Hypens

breakdown on the computer so I recommend using Austronesian as a
practicality.

> Thus Austronesian (your Austro-Asiatic) is a macro family along

with Indo-European, Semitic, Kartvelian, Dravidian, Uralo-Altaic
(including Athapaskan), Yukaghirian, Euroasiatic, and
Paleoasiatic/Eskaleut. All of these macro families comprise the
Nostratic Mega Family.

>
> Is this listing now complete?

Gerry,

Who has proposed including either Austronesian, Austro-Asiatic, or
Austric in Nostratic? (Others' messages have already explained the
distinctions between those three groups) It is true that some
researchers have suggested connections between Austronesian on the
one hand, and Ainu and/or Japanese on the other. It is also true that
other researchers have included Japanese in Nostratic because they
believe it is connected to Altaic; and also true that Joseph
Greenberg included Ainu in his Eurasiatic proposal. But it is my
understanding that these are "either-or" situations: if Japanese or
Ainu are genetically connected to Austronesian then they are not part
of Altaic, Nostratic or Eurasiatic...if they are part of Altaic,
Nostratic or Eurasiatic, then they cannot be genetically close to
Austronesian.

Has someone put forth a proposal which now does include Austronesian
in Nostratic, and if so, on what basis?

Ned

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael J Smith
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] How should Nostratic be viewed?
>
>
> Hi Gerry, you wrote:
>
> > Based on the lectures by Valery P. Alexeev, I have constructed

the

> > following Nostratic Mega Family:
> >
> > -- Indo-European, Semitic, Kartvelian, Dravidian, Uralo-Altaic
> > (including Athapaskan), Yukaghirian, Euroasiatic, Austronesian

and

> > Paleoasiatic/Eskaleut.
>
> Gerry, isn't Austronesian part of the Austro-Asiatic (wasn't this
> formerly known as Indo-Pacific?) macro-family, and thus a separate
> macro-family? Or are you proposing that Nostratic and Austro-

Asiatic

> could have once been in one large macro-family?
>
> -Michael
> >
> > [please note that this listing places both Yukaghirian and
> > Athapaskan into Uralo-Altaic and connects Ainu to Altaic].
> >
> > Is this listing now complete?
> >
> > Gerry
>
>
>
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