Re: [tied] Re: Ice age, plate tectonics and PIE

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel J. Milton"
> <dmilt1896@...>
> wrote:
> > The one seriously proposed shoreline change
> that might have had
> > a significant effect on Indo-European origins is
> the one proposed
> in
> > Pitman et al.'s "Noah's Flood" book, where the
> Mediterranean broke
> > through the straits and flooded a supposed
> sub-sealevel freshwater
> > predecessor of the Black Sea (I believe someone
> brought this up on
> > Cybalist a while ago). However, there was a paper
> by a Turkish
> > group in the journal Geology last year (I can
> check the ref. if
> > anyone wants it) that demolished the theory.
> Essentially, they
> > demonstrated (to my satisfaction at least) that
> through the time
> > when Pitman would have a mighty cataract pouring
> northward,
> > sediments in the Sea of Marmara were quietly
> prograding southward.
>
> That's strange, since that's the Old Greek version
> too (by I forgot
> whom). How about this scenario:
>
> 1) The Black Sea is a melt water lake with a level
> above that of the
> oceans, in the vicinity of several inland glaciers,
> connected to the
> Oceans by a river flowing south and west in what is
> now the Bosporus
> and Dardanelles.
>
> 2) Catastrophic collapse of glaciers overfills Black
> Sea, causing it
> to spill huge volumes of water though the river to
> the Ocean.
>
> 3) This erodes the bottom of the river to below sea
> level.
>
> 4) After the catastrophic outflow, sea water passes
> though the
> expanded channel (= present Bosporus, Dardanelles).
>
> Viola!
>
> Torsten

*****GK: I have a much simpler reason for not
attaching any "cultural" significance whatsoever to
the so-called "Black Sea Flood" of ca. 5500BC,
especially as to the north shore. First of all the
flooded areas were not that extensive in terms of the
original basin of the fresh water Lake. And secondly,
if there were notable centers of civilization there,
this would inevitably have been demonstrated through
the presence of at least some "trade objects" among
their more "primitive" neighbours to the north (or in
the Crimean mountains). But there is absolutely
nothing there for the period prior to 5500BC which
suggests that the culture presumably existing around
the shores of the Lake was significantly different
from that of their immediate northern neighbours.*****

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