Miguel:
>First off, "voiceless /d/" was Glen's phrasing,
Yes, sorry. I can see the confusion behind it (even if I think
that people on this List get a tad too easily confused at times).
I mean to say a sound written as "d" and pronounced as [t],
like in Pinyin Mandarin. For example, /da/ "big" is pronounced
[ta]. The stop is voiceless and unaspirated.
At any rate, I think Pat and I are objecting to the same thing
on a whole. English stops are voiced because voice occurs during
the closure... period.
- gLeN
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