Re: [tied] More nonsense: Is English /d/ truely voiced?

Dear Miguel:

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From: "Miguel Carrasquer" <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] More nonsense: Is English /d/ truely voiced?


> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:18:10 -0600, "Patrick C. Ryan"
> <proto-language@...> wrote:
>

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> Fine, as long as it's understood that we're moving away from acoustic
> phonetics to the phonological interpretation of what we see in the
> sounswaves and spectrograms.
>
> I don't think there's justification for voicing _before_ the consonant
> in initial poition (like _after_ it in final position). In your
> notation: "bat" p-V-a-t, "bad" p-V-a-V-t.

[PCR]
Adopting the new notation of my previous post, the prevalent American English pronunciation of "bat" is /%P-aT-(h)/; "bad" is /%P-a%T-(%)/. The sequence /VOWEL%/ + voiced stop in some dialects becomes /VOWEL:/, i.e. a lengthened vowel. In my dialect, the vowel and the voicing element (like a neutral vowel) are clearly distinguishable acoustically.

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Pat

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