Re: [tied] Gmc. *bru:diz

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 16379
Date: 2002-10-18

And brain < *mregh-n-

Joao SL
----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...>
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Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Gmc. *bru:diz

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:55:33 +0200, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
>From: Miguel Carrasquer
>> I agree with Jens that this etymology deserves to be true. I have some
questions, however. Is a form *m(e)ru(H)- attested anywhere, besides
m(e)ri(H)-? What is the Proto-Germanic form: *bru:þis or bru:dis (or are
they Verner variants)?
>*bru:diz, definitely (OE bry:d, ON brúðr, OHG bru:t, etc.; Goth. bru:þs is
affected by final devoicing).

It's just that my 1957 German etymological dictionary (Kluge/Götze/Mitzka)
"gemeingerm. *bru:þi-", which kind of confused me (enough to spell -z
as -s).

>*mru:-tís is certainly attractive, but it would be nice if we could
demonstrate that *mr- (and perhaps *ml-) survived in Germanic till after
Grimm's Law to become *br-, *bl- (phonetically [Br-, Bl-]). Any etymologies
worth reexamining?

Perhaps OE, OS bregdan "to plait", Du. breien "to knit" ~ Grk. brokhós
Schlinge, Masche", MIR. braige, braga "captive", OCS mre^z^a "Netz,
(*mregh-) ?

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal

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