Re: [tied] Ulagh

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 15982
Date: 2002-10-06

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Subject: [tied] Ulagh

> How is there the conenction of volcae, walah and tartar/turcick "ulagh"? Does it mean the tartar or turcks got the name from slavs too? Or from germans?
From whoever was using the term Vlach (the South Slavic version or anything derived from it) at the time.

> I keep in mind here the work of persan scholar Fäzl ol Lah Räsid about the tartar invasion of 1241 Teh tartar name of this is "Kara Ulagh"= black Walachia and from otoman sources we know that the turkish name was Kara Iflack.
A language that cannot permit word-initial /vl-/ can make it pronounceable either by vocalising the first consonant (/ul-/; cf. Hungarial Oláh; perhaps the Tartars actually borrowed the Hungarian word), or by using a prop vowel. Turkish speakers resort to prothetic /i/ in such cases (cf. <isveç> 'Sweden'). /iflak/ was the nearest thing to /vlax/ under the restrictions of Turkish phonology.