Re: [tied] Let dogs have their day too

From: george knysh
Message: 15970
Date: 2002-10-06

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> The only solution that saves the Iranian etymology
> is, it seems, the assumption of a loan from Median
> or from an early Persian dialect (Herodotus reports
> Median spaka 'dog'), filtered through a language
> that did not permit initial /sp-/ and broke the
> cluster up with an epenthetic vowel (*s&baka). It
> would have reached East Slavic (but not the rest of
> Slavic) in the Middle Ages. I don't know what
> concrete intermediary could be proposed, but I
> wonder if Turkish k�pek and related Turkic words
> (such as <k�b�k>, cited by Sergei after Trubachev)
> didn't somehow branch off the same borrowing route
> (the inherited Turkic word for 'dog' is <it ~ yt>);
> unfortunately, I'm out of my depth in the field of
> Turkic etymology.

******GK: The only other language group I can think of
which would have been geographically in position to be
an intermediary would have been that of the "Kassogi".
But I know absolutely nothing about Adyge, Kabardian,
Circassian, Abkhazian etc. So the Turkic hypothesis (I
wonder if the Codex Cumanicus contains "kopek-kobok"
as sp. above) looks like the best bet at the

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