----- Original Message
September 02, 2002 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [tied]
just verifying a point
[Moeller] You dont like to see a fact. You
have as fallow:
a celtic teonim =Epona= godess of
a thracian Antroponim = Eppo, meaning
I again must ask you to show me where a
_Thracian_ name like Eppo is attested. Thracian, not Pannonian.
> ... How you see romanian did not made
this "v" ="b" so quick as in another romanic languages. That shouls sound
curious for a linguist. But like allways, such things can be ignorated too.Have
you ever took a look how many words in romanian begina with "b"? Let us put
there and the words prefixed with "a" before "b" and you will wonder how much
there are. Please, do not make me to look in dictionary how many are, I am crazy
enough to take page with page for counting them:-))
I was talking about _Thracian_, not
_Romanian_! The may be the same in your mind, but please stop confusing them in
this thread. All I'm saying is that there are convincing examples of PIE *w >
Thracian b [v].
> [Moeller] Vinerean :"short
vowel *e" for ek^Wos:
> PIE *ek'uus,
ek'ua>proto-troco-dacian *epa>traco-daca *iepa>romanian >iapa. This
is the explanation of Mr Vinerean.
Which is a crazy kind of explanation: notum
per ignotum, precisely the type of case where Occam's razor must be applied. The
standard derivation from Lat. equa works impeccably and does not require any
"traco-daca" conjuring tricks involving sound changes known only to Mr.
> You will observe thata iapa in plural
form in rumanian is iepe the same "ie" there if you will ask you why from
So what? Well-known phonetic changes in Old
Romanian account for these vowels. There's nothing mysterious about them --
nothing that would justify invoking substrate influence.
> I repeat myself. why is thracian a
satem language? Give me please the characteristics which make of thracian a
satem language. Which are they?
Amongst those that you report as
Vinereanu's sound changes, *g^ > z and *g^H > z are characteristic
Satem developments. You don't say (or maybe Vinereany doesn't say) what happened
to *k^, but one would expect something more-or-less parallel to *g^ > z, most
likely *k^ > s or *k^ > ts. (the symbol <^>, which we use on
Cybalist, is equivalent to your <'>).
> One of salapia was in Scythia Minor Piotr. I wait for exact
references where to find about. So far I got them you will be the first who get
them from me.
It seems to me you are confusing different
placenames. I repeat that the only Salapia I know of is Salpi in Italy --
probably a Messapic name, but definitely not Thracian or Dacian. Given the
irresponsibity with which you cite hearsay stuff, I have little doubt that your
Romanian "Salapia" is a figment.