Re: [tied] Greek "angos"

--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> > >
> > > I'm about to have angioplasty for my angina -- two words almost
> > > next to each other in the English dictionary, but which I was
> > > surprised to find are quite unrelated. I'm comfortable with

the

> > > word "angina" (the actuality isn't too comfortable), ultimately
> > from
> > > I.-E. "angh" painful constriction, related to English "anger",
> > > "anxiety", and German "Angst". "Angio-" blood vessel, is from
> the
> > > Greek "angeion" used post-classically for quite a variety of
> > > hollow body parts, a diminutive of "angos" vessel, used by
> > > Homer for kitchenware. But the references I have handy go no
> > > further. Is there an I.-E. etymology? Or was the word from a
> > > pre-Hellenic culture? Any information appreciated.
> > > Dan Mi
>
> --- In cybalist@..., "danjmi" <dmilt1896@...> wrote:
> > Thank you, Piotr, for your prompt reply to my inquiry
> about "angos",
> > and tgpedersen for your extensive (overextensive?) list of
> worldwide
> > reflexes of H-N-G.
> > I offer as a double warning against being tricked by superficial
> > verbal similarities that the angioscopy for my etymologically
> > unrelated angina found stenosis (> another Greek word of no
> > convincing etymology?) of a coronary artery, now corrected by a
> stent
> > (> Charles Stent 19th Century English dentist).
> > Anyway, I hope it keeps me around to enjoy Cybalist and other
> > pleasures a few more years.
> >
> >
> >
> > > The "constrictor" root *h2ang^H- is treated at:
> > >
> > > http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE18.html
> > >
> > > There are also cognates in Slavic (*o~zU-(k-) 'narrow') and
> > Indo-Aryan (aMhu- 'narrow', both from *h2ang^H-u-), and I'm sure

in

> > other branches as well.
> > >
> > > I don't know of a convincing etymology of <angos> or of any
> > extra-Greek cognates.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
>
> I wish you a long life following your operation. David Letterman
> seems to be doing OK (and, true to form, I would like to remind
> everyone that heavy metals may induce calcification of arteries).
> Thank you for the double warning, which I would appreciate if I

knew

> what the reasons were that you were bringing forth (perhaps my
> reference was too extra-Greek)? Personally I think that those two
> roots are related.
>
> For *angio- "vessel" perhaps "narrow vessel" is original?
>
> I had an idea of what might be the original connection
> between "narrow" and "fear" and "snake". Perhaps it is the action

of

> snake venom, ascribed originally to some parallel non-
> physical "spiritual" world (which actually was an ontological

dustbin

> for the things you couldn't explain using the then known physical
> principles). Cf. the term "spirits" (originally "spiritus vini" for
> that which causes the "spiritual" effects (ie. drunkenness) when
> ingesting the "physical" fluid, wine. In other words, the spiritual
> essence of wine, obtained by purifying (in alchemical thinking)
> through distillation. And "spiritus" itself is breath, that is, the
> breath of life, that which was seen as the soul itself, which

departs

> from the physical body in "the last breath"
>
> Torsten

BTW I found in my PC Latin dictionary that "angina" originally meant
a choking attack caused by coughing. There comes the (wind) pipe, or
tube, sense again.