Re: [tied] Re: A "Germanic" query

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
But we have
> the testimony of
> Jordanes about the Eruli being driven from
> Scandinavia.

*****GK: This is one of those obscure and ambiguous
passages in Jordanes from which no firm conclusions
can be drawn. He simply says that the Danes "Heruleos
propriis sedibus expulerunt". But he doesn't say
exactly when, and he doesn't say "expelled from
Scandinavia" (i.e. they could have moved to another
location in Scandinavia). This could in fact apply to
those Eruli who had recently settled in Scandinavia
after their trek north (cf. Procopius: the time frame
is shortly after 512 AD. The Danes are unknown prior
to the 6th century.) There has been extensive
discussion of this issue on the Gothic and Germanic

lists.******

I think we are a bit careless with the geography.

The word Scandinavia does not appear until the Middle Ages.

When we talk about the Scandinavian peninsula, where I don't include Denmark, Prokopius talked about Thule.

Jordanes talks about Skadia (Skanza) which is Gotland. However he seems to have various sources why he becomes a bit mixed-up and includes also all the tribes he has heard of living on Thule.

Older Swedish scholars did not realize that Thule and Skanza is not the same thing.

Tore

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