Re: [tied] Early Roman Iron Age Burials in Denmark II

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From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
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Subject: Re: [tied] Early Roman Iron Age Burials in Denmark II


>
> --- Alexander Stolbov <astolbov@...> wrote:
> > The fact that horse remains were found in Denmark
> > doesn't say anything
> > definite yet. Anyway South Scandinavia has been
> > settled by IE population and
> > horse had to be of a special importance in that
> > society - remember typical
> > IE Bronze Age petroglyphs from this region depicting
> > chariots (BTW I can not
> > explain to myself how chariots with spoked wheels
> > which seem to be invented
> > in steppes near Ural relatively late - about 2000 BC
> > - succeeded to reach so
> > quickly such a distant place as Sweden? And what to
> > do with chariots in
> > northern forests?)
>
> *****GK: I remember seeing a reproduction of that
> Swedish petroglyph. The wheel type didn't stick in my
> mind. If it was indeed a "spoked wheel" chariot then
> its presence there is certainly curious (unless it was
> a story told by a traveller about "the gods of the
> South" which was then used by a local artist(:=))==
> There were older war chariots of course, with more
> primitive solid wheels. These were also found in
> Sintashta (Urals) where the spoked wheel innovation
> likely occurred. AFAIK the earliest war chariot of any
> type discovered so far (a solid wheeler)was part of a
> Catacomb culture burial at Mariivka just west of the
> Dnipro: cf. N.N. Cherednichenko, S.Zh. Pustovalov,
> "Boevie kolesnitsi v obshchestve katakombnoj kulturi
> (po materialam razkopok v Nizhnim Podneprovie)" in
> Sovetskaia Arkheologiia (1991), n.4, pp. 206-216.
> ["War chariots in the Catacomb culture society"]. The
> Catacomb culture (successor to the Yamna) has now been
> redated to ca. 2900-1800 BC (extreme early/late
> calibrated RC dates) or 2600-2200 BC (median RC
> calibrations): see the article in ANTIQUITY 74 (2000)
> pp.793-799 on the Kalmykia finds).*****
>

Thanks for the references.
I'll read the articles but perhaps you answer me quicker one particular
question - the number of wheels that chariot from Mariivka had.

Alexander